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  • #16
    Re: At what point do state and national campgrounds become big RV parks?

    I don't buy that folks are coming in droves with RV's to save money. You mean people are paying $500-$600+ a month to rent a pad to put their $100,000+ (often, many of them) RV's on a pad to save money? I just don't buy it. Not with so many 'senior apartments' available for super low costs (Anti-discrimination laws DO make exceptions for housing communities restricted to seniors!).

    Now, personally, I don't get the big motorcoach thing, myself. I know a guy who has a very large, freightliner based, $230,000 coach. He has had it for years, and it only has one destination. The same park, every single time, near a lake where he has a boat on a slip. Same location, every time. Why not just buy a house in that area? That and, it's a weird middle ground. It's an expensive way to camp, but a cramped way to live. It's all the pleasures of a small apartment, and all the cost of a decent sized home. Just doesn't make sense. At least, not for the folks who live in them but don't go anywhere or who go to the same place each time. Traveling the country, new destination every few days, living in the RV 24/7? Now that I get, that would be cool. But so many are not so!

    I admit though, crowded campgrounds are just not so great. But sometimes you can find good ones. Everything from loud obnoxious party goers to huge RV's and their generators (thought the small cheapie generators people power their tents with are far worse). It's crowded, yuck. But there are still some good ones out there, a little more off the beaten path!

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    • #17
      Re: At what point do state and national campgrounds become big RV parks?

      Originally posted by Mike View Post
      i think what has happened is that State and National parks have just become low-rent opportunities for retired folks who are seling their homes and downsizing to RVs. That was never the intention of our parks, but it is what has been happening over the past decade and seems to be where we are heading in a big way.

      Six of our prettiest state parks have been closed for "electrification projects". They are putting in 50 amp service because many of the RV crowd pull so much electricity.

      Personally, I think it is a real shame and a downgrade to our parks.
      will see that alot at campgrounds along state borders,
      where they stay in 1 state for the maximum allowed before having to claim residency there,
      then move across the border to another state and remain there for the maximum days allowed

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      • #18
        Re: At what point do state and national campgrounds become big RV parks?

        1) I don't want anyone making anymore rules for ME. Who knows maybe those RV'ers are saying the same thing about the tent campers. (There are lots of RV parks that don't allow tents already) So becareful what you wish for. Money buys political power. 100 sites at $50 is better than 200 at $20.
        2) It's not cheaper to camp, even tent camp.
        3) If you want to taste the rainbow, buy skittles or a pair of Vasques and hit the rocky roads into the bush. Unless disperse camping you are in a RV park/camp ground.
        4) If you can't sleep at night take the wisdom of Dick Pronekke (One Man's Wilderness) Do more during the day. A sleeping pad feels like a Sealy after a long day. Ear plugs are your friend.
        5) Keep a log book and go out and meet and greet the RVers.


        I spend months a year in a tent, more months out hunting, fishing and trapping.

        Go fishing a kayaker or jet skier will mess your fishing up.
        Go hunting and hunters or others will mess you up. Deer hunters (Tree sitters) hate everybody.
        Go trapping and everybody is your enemy. The antis stalk you, the hunters mess/steal your sets.

        Seems everybody hates what everybody else is doing.

        For those that seek wilderness, it is a fact that one can not go more than 30 miles in any direction in the lower 48 without hitting a road. When I went to Alaska on a hunting trip, we had to cross a river weir. We logging into the log book to get access to the upper river. I was the third person to sign the log book for the year (it was late August). We went up the river about 15 miles and made camp. How much more secluded could one be. Well the next morning about mid morning of moose hunting, I heard a shotgun blast not to far away. Later on another. Well it got the best of me and walked in the general direction of the blasts. Well it was a man who lived in the bush and was out cutting a fire lane and was shooting grouse in between machete work. Funny thing is he was from a town about 10 miles from where I grew up in NJ. Small world and getting smaller everyday.

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        • #19
          Re: At what point do state and national campgrounds become big RV parks?

          PS. Those people look happy!

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          • #20
            Re: At what point do state and national campgrounds become big RV parks?

            I,m just glad in the U.S.A., if you want to spend 50.00 bucks or 500.000 for your camping trip we are free to do so. Along with stating our opinion on the internet,
            In my opinion seniors should get discounts veterans and service men and woman should camp free.
            We don't camp were we don't like to camp, plain and simple!

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            • #21
              Re: At what point do state and national campgrounds become big RV parks?

              Originally posted by camping for fishing View Post
              ......veterans and service men and woman should camp free.
              I would agree with that. It would be nice, course I would just be happy with a paid day off for veterans day. In almost 2 decades since I got out, I don't think I have even had it off...
              Nights camped in 2019: 24
              Nights camped in 2018: 24

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              • #22
                Re: At what point do state and national campgrounds become big RV parks?

                I am not a vet but I always thought that was not right, thank you guys for your service!!

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                • #23
                  Re: At what point do state and national campgrounds become big RV parks?

                  Good thread. Here in Florida, Seniors and handicapped get half off, if you're a resident. One of our favorite State Parks is $9.00 per night with water and electric. Yeah, motor homes and fivers go there, but it's well shaded, and the sights are mostly private. We used to have a motor home, but they're not cheap and not as much fun as car camping. In the summer it's really to hot and rainy to do any camping, and in the winter, the snowbirds from up north try to take over our parks, but we just make our reservations well in advance. Please don't read anything into the snowbirds coming down here. They help keep my taxes way down. I welcome them, and still have a great time camping in our beautiful State Parks.
                  Nights camping in 2013-----12
                  Nights camping in 2014----- 4
                  Nights camping in 2015------8

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                  • #24
                    Re: At what point do state and national campgrounds become big RV parks?

                    You can't regulate other people's access to public lands because it offends your sensibilities.

                    Tent camping is in decline compared to the use of recreational vehicles. Many state and national parks have few provisions for RVs so your best bet is to camp there. This is likely to be a temporary condition as park planners want to accomodate the public's interests. RVs will have more and more access to public facilities as time goes along.

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                    • #25
                      Re: At what point do state and national campgrounds become big RV parks?

                      Originally posted by ppine View Post
                      You can't regulate other people's access to public lands because it offends your sensibilities.

                      Tent camping is in decline compared to the use of recreational vehicles. Many state and national parks have few provisions for RVs so your best bet is to camp there. This is likely to be a temporary condition as park planners want to accomodate the public's interests. RVs will have more and more access to public facilities as time goes along.
                      Of course you can regulate public access and use of public lands for any reason. Public lands are highly regulated including the places where camping is allowed, types of vehicles permitted, and even what kind of camping is allowed at campsites.

                      Actually, our state is keenly aware of the pressure from these marauding retirees looking for cheap places to park their RV campers and they have set a statewide limit as to how many sites will be designated for RV campers. I was vocal about this and contacted our Forest/Parks leadership as well as our state lawmakers.

                      In the short term, RV's are a nuisance and an eyesore. In the long-term, I see the RV becoming dinasaurs as rising fuel prices push them to the graveyard. Also, the present generation of baby boomers who are barely hanging on and who have traded their homes for the nomadic life in a fifth wheel will soon be replaced by a generation who can either afford to keep their homes or will be too poor to afford RV living.

                      I see the future of the USA looking a lot like Europe - Our middle class becoming a lower middle class. Socialism with even more oppressive taxes. Food prices that will take a painfully greater share of the household budget, and fuel prices that will ground much of America's leisure mobility. With this, you will see about as many RVs in the USA as you do in Europe - ie almost none except for the extraordinarly wealthy eccentrics.
                      Last edited by Mike; 07-26-2013, 05:46 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Re: At what point do state and national campgrounds become big RV parks?

                        Originally posted by camping for fishing View Post
                        In my opinion seniors should get discounts veterans and service men and woman should camp free.
                        We don't camp were we don't like to camp, plain and simple!
                        In my opinion, the taxpayer in the USA is an unsung hero who deserves as much free access to our parks as seniors and veterans. How many poor bastards have worked themselves from pre-teen to death paying taxes every day along the way; taxes that paid for all the stupid, wastefull, and useless wars we have had in the last half century. These toiling heroes do not deserve any less than a senior or a veteran.
                        Last edited by Mike; 07-26-2013, 05:55 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Re: At what point do state and national campgrounds become big RV parks?

                          Not to get political Mike, but don't tread on me. I am a tent camper. Not homeless, but by choice 24/7/365. I will be darned if I want an RV'r or another tent camper telling me how to live. Those same rv'rs that you complain about may have put more money into the taxpayer realm then you. Stop being so holier than thou. You remind me of the I switched from golf to deer hunter because it was more manly type. IF I want to be secluded, it is easy and I am in the east coast. If I want a crowd, than that can be had too.

                          Stop messing with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Pursue your, but not at the expense of others.

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                          • #28
                            Re: At what point do state and national campgrounds become big RV parks?

                            Originally posted by Mike View Post
                            In my opinion, the taxpayer in the USA is an unsung hero who deserves as much free access to our parks as seniors and veterans. How many poor bastards have worked themselves from pre-teen to death paying taxes every day along the way; taxes that paid for all the stupid, wastefull, and useless wars we have had in the last half century. These toiling heroes do not deserve any less than a senior or a veteran.
                            Veteran's are also taxpayers, and some of the few that actually pay's their own salary.
                            BTW, ask a liberated Kuwait citizen how they feel about your so called "useless wars".......
                            Nights camped in 2019: 24
                            Nights camped in 2018: 24

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                            • #29
                              Re: At what point do state and national campgrounds become big RV parks?

                              Originally posted by 05Kingquad700 View Post
                              Veteran's are also taxpayers, and some of the few that actually pay's their own salary.
                              BTW, ask a liberated Kuwait citizen how they feel about your so called "useless wars".......
                              I am not denying vetrans. I am saying that the working man is a hero too and deserves no less in this country than anybody else including vetrans.

                              BTW, I HAVE been to Kuwait in post Desert Storm as a civilian and I HAVE met with Kuwaities. They are not all as Pro-USA as you might think. Some were thankful, but some were less than welcoming.

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                              • #30
                                Re: At what point do state and national campgrounds become big RV parks?

                                Originally posted by RJ Cooper View Post
                                Not to get political Mike, but don't tread on me. I am a tent camper. Not homeless, but by choice 24/7/365. I will be darned if I want an RV'r or another tent camper telling me how to live. Those same rv'rs that you complain about may have put more money into the taxpayer realm then you. Stop being so holier than thou. You remind me of the I switched from golf to deer hunter because it was more manly type. IF I want to be secluded, it is easy and I am in the east coast. If I want a crowd, than that can be had too.

                                Stop messing with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Pursue your, but not at the expense of others.
                                My opinion that I don't like the sight of a big RV in the forest isn't a Holier than Thou thing - it is a "I don't like seeing buses in the forest" thing. Like many people, I go to the forest to get away from buses and noise and the hardness of manmade visuals. There is a place for RVs and that place is an RV park, not in a forest.

                                I suppose this discussions is something like arguments for or against smoking in theaters or airplanes or restaurants. Smokers think they should have the right to smoke where ever they please and others think that their own freedoms are being assaulted by the smoke. RV owners want to be able to go anywhere with their big buses, and some folks say they impede their enjoyment of the ambiance of a natural setting campgrounds.

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